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Post by Ness Snorlaxia on Apr 23, 2006 22:04:03 GMT -5
Well, we have set a limit of 60 endorsements for now. Seeing as people have voiced concerns about it, it would be a good idea to see what other people think about this limit, should it be higher or lower? And what should happen in cases such as these?
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Post by Atlantico Norte on Apr 23, 2006 22:19:36 GMT -5
Well... I don't agree to any limits on the endorsments... but regarding how NS works and since if anyone gets more endorsments than you they can become the regional UN Delegate, I would change the maximum to 70... but then I would give the first "warning" when a country reach 30 (and on that telegram you would have to explain the reason for the limit), then again on the 50 (with a warning of the possible punishments) and when the nation reaches 70 it would receive the warning saying that it would have 48 hours to remove some of the endorsments.
I don't agree with the 24 hours because as you know... some of the nations just don't go online everyday.
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Post by Ness Snorlaxia on Apr 23, 2006 22:32:19 GMT -5
Well, endo counts can fluctuate over time, so it might not be a good idea to have a set limit (or, if there is a set limit, change it when there are major population changes). A warning system is definitely a good idea, so people don't get confused about what's going on and such.
The 24 hours was meant to be 24 hours after said nation logs in and reads the TG for the first time; I am aware that all nations don't log on every day.
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Post by Gnidrah on Apr 23, 2006 22:44:44 GMT -5
Personally, I would recommend an endorsment limit of 50, yielding a first warning at 30, a second at 40, then a final one at 50, where they would then need to consider having a few endorsers withdraw their endorsements. But I also believe that the limit set should be at the discretion of the delegate, so long as it is not below 50, unless of course the delegate's endorsement count were to drop considerably close to this number.
As for the 24 hours, as stated in the announcement, and as echoed by Ness, the 24-hour time frame is from the point which the nation logs in, after the telegram is issued...not from the point the telegram is issued, as that would not be fair. I do not log into my Hyrule nation for days at a time, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. You get my point.
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Post by Atlantico Norte on Apr 23, 2006 22:51:43 GMT -5
Anyhow... take this example... you ask 10 nations to witdraw they're endorsment... and they log only after 3 or 4 days... so you got the message... you asked them to witdraw they're endorsment... but since they were not online on the following 24 hours... you fail the objective of getting under 60 nations.
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Post by Gnidrah on Apr 23, 2006 22:56:11 GMT -5
Look at it this way: you should keep yourself from getting close to the endorsement limit.
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Post by Ness Snorlaxia on Apr 23, 2006 23:20:11 GMT -5
AN does have a good point about that, but there are nations who might still go around the endorsement limit, Gnid. Inactive nations with around 60 endorsements might not pose too much of a threat if they continue on being inactive, though.
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Post by Atlantico Norte on Apr 24, 2006 7:02:25 GMT -5
Look at it this way: you should keep yourself from getting close to the endorsement limit. I don't agree with that because the endorsments are part of the game ... and I didn't even knew about this law before you sending me the telegram... but I really am now interested on make things work for the others don't be surprised like I was with a telegram.
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Post by tasmanyaya on Apr 24, 2006 9:26:52 GMT -5
I tend to agree with Gnid that the endorsement limit should actually be lower than 50, with warnings sent out long before. Gnid's suggestions of 30, 40 and 50 are good ones, as long as the wording is "somewhere around 30", etc., so that any loopholes are covered.
Setting the limit at 60 leaves the region open to invasion. It would be a simple matter for someone to move into the region, endo swap until they reached the 60, and then overnight have a group of friends move in and endorse them, thus taking over the delegacy and changing the Hyrule we know. That's what invading is all about, and I don't think we want to leave ourselves open to it by risking our delegate.
As to what role endos play in the game, AN, it's all in your point of view. If you are endorsed because you have done something worthwhile or have achieved something, then to me the endorsement has meaning. If the endorsements are obtained by simply flipping through the 25 pages of nations in Hyrule and endorsing each of the UN nations in the hopes that they will endorse you in return, to me, the endorsements have no meaning.
Bear in mind, this is only my opinion of what is meant by endorsing another nation. It is certainly not meant to insult anyone here, and I would hope that you all know me well enough not to take it that way.
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Post by Atlantico Norte on Apr 24, 2006 10:12:27 GMT -5
Well... as I've told before... and regardind my nation... the last thing that I really want is to get nagged by people saying that I should... or I shouldn't have this or that endorsment... if the delegate and chancelor think that I am a real threat to the equilibrium in Hyrule, PLEASE let me know that I will act according to that.
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Post by Kritschboilek on Apr 24, 2006 11:48:47 GMT -5
Well, i have to say i also don't agree with this, just as nations like to have many Endorsements just to feel cool - i mean, who doesn't like to have plenty endorsements?. And if someone has over 60 endorsements it doesn't mean they're an invader (unless AN is an invader who got us all now ... ) - they just like to have endorsements. I think nobody is gonna invade us anyhow, we're just too big for them, if you know an invader region with over 104 invaders, please then let me know. Of course it could already be that an invader is already now active in the region, but i would be surprised if they did it actually, we've got too much influence on other regions, we could anytime ask for help ... And there are just too many nations in Hyrule with over 30 endorsements, you gonna PM them all and simply say 'less endorsements please', they're not gonna like that.
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Post by Atlantico Norte on Apr 24, 2006 12:33:07 GMT -5
Yeap Krit... I am the Alien Invader from Mars... and I am here to take control of Hyrule... today Hyrule... tomorrow the Universe! ;p hehehehehe
I agree with you... and I guess that you can notice the difference between an agressor from someone that just like to have endorsments...
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Post by Gnidrah on Apr 24, 2006 12:37:09 GMT -5
Actually, Krits, the invader region would not have to have over 104 invaders. They would be able to use the UN-members already in the region, to gain a substantial amount of endorsements (let's say, in this case, 61), and move just 44 UN invaders into the region to endorse that plant. They would then have 105 endorsements, giving them the upper hand, allowing them to take over the region and its delegacy. 44 is not a lot of people, if you think about it.
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Post by Gnidrah on Apr 24, 2006 12:38:00 GMT -5
Yeap Krit... I am the Alien Invader from Mars... and I am here to take control of Hyrule... today Hyrule... tomorrow the Universe! ;p hehehehehe Evidence
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Post by eternalmoonchild on Apr 24, 2006 13:25:02 GMT -5
Is there a way that we could set a limits on our endorsements..where ie...Gnid wants to endorse me but a message come up saying that the limit on endorsements have been reached, thank you for wanting to endorse this nation but unfortunately you are not able to do so? That way, no one gets over the limits or has to stress by asking people..ummm can you withdraw your endorsement...sorry, but I would feel bad doing that. I would not want to insult anyone. Just a suggestion.
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