|
Post by Ness Snorlaxia on May 16, 2006 22:39:07 GMT -5
All people are allowed to participate in the regional government, already (which includes voting issues), and I don't think that has been made clear enough. That's why all members, not just staff members, can post in the main House of Members forum.
It's just that most people don't use that voice at all, and thus, don't offer constructive contributions that could certainly help out the region.
And a quote...
S & Z, don't you think Gnid saying that and you saying that the region is a dictatorship falls under the "freedom of speech" category? If this were a dictatorship, don't you think you wouldn't be allowed to criticize the government?
|
|
|
Post by Gnidrah on May 16, 2006 22:50:07 GMT -5
I would like to note that all citizens of the region of Hyrule have the open invitation of joining the regional forum, and have the right to participate in important votes, such as the vote in question. In the same respect, ignorance of the forum's existence, as well as that of the vote taking place, is not due to any actions or inactions of the government or its members, but instead the lack of attention provided by said nations of the region. Where these members fail to notice or fail to respond is not the responsibility of the government, but rather that of those citizens of Hyrule. We do our part by publishing the information necessary to take part in such events.
|
|
|
Post by Gnidrah on May 16, 2006 23:02:16 GMT -5
Perhaps I am failing to see bigger picture, but aren't you here to explain it to me? Remember, I am just a citizen, while you are the Prime Minister of Hyrule. I simply can't accept that your answer on entire issue is that I "will never understand it". ... Our PM also stated that even if this was a dictatorship, he would rather have Ness as his dictator, because she is such a lovely delegate, than having someone else who would be elected in the manners of democracy. Speaks for itself, don't ya think? First of all, I believe I directly addressed the bigger picture, when I responded to your comments in the thread where the law was being discussed. So when I explain something and ignore it, that is not my fault, now is it? And in case you still don't know what the bigger picture is, I'll sum it up in a short sentence, for now: "...the safety, security, and stability of the region and it's citizens." Secondly, I would like to address the issue of you taking my comments out of context. I would rather have Ness as my "dictator" than a rogue nation who took over the "dictatorship" and does not care about any of the nations in Hyrule. At least I know that Ness cares for us, and that she will not lead us astray.
|
|
|
Post by Jerry Christ on May 16, 2006 23:17:43 GMT -5
ignorance of the forum's existence, as well as that of the vote taking place, is not due to any actions or inactions of the government or its members, but instead the lack of attention provided by said nations of the region. Where these members fail to notice or fail to respond is not the responsibility of the government, but rather that of those citizens of Hyrule. Well. It's heartwarming to know that you're looking out for us, Gnid. You are the embodiment of the spirit of Hyrule... :no:
|
|
|
Post by Gnidrah on May 16, 2006 23:31:27 GMT -5
Would you like for me to telegram each individual nation, one-by-one, informing them of the forum address? Better yet, each time there is a vote to be made? Think of what that would be asking, and how many people actually pay attention to in-game telegrams. EDIT: I know I don't always pay that much attention to in-game telegrams. It may be days before I read some. So I'm just as guilty, in that respect. But that is just one more example. See, I used myself in a negative fashion, as an example.
|
|
|
Post by tasmanyaya on May 17, 2006 10:32:22 GMT -5
JC, be fair. I have TG'd all members of Hyrule who are not members of the forum and asked them to join the forum. It was one of the first things I did when elected by those who already are forum members.
Since then, each and every nation who arrives in Hyrule, recruited or not, is sent a Welcome telegram encouraging them to join the forum.
Every nation is, or has been contacted. What else would you have me do? Or anyone else do, for that matter?
|
|
|
Post by Hilayia on May 23, 2006 14:53:59 GMT -5
So, It seems like the flaw in this system is that the majority of the people who vote on this fourm are the Staff members. However, the endorsement law is made in the best intrest of the current chancellery. When it's mostly the Chancellor's cabinet who votes on this bill, we can't really say it was chosen by the people. It's embarrasing for me to bring this up, because I don't know the solution, but there is a flaw there somewhere that should be corrected.
|
|
|
Post by Atlantico Norte on May 23, 2006 15:46:45 GMT -5
Well... everyone is free to vote... they don't vote just because they don't want to... i guess.
|
|
|
Post by eternalmoonchild on May 23, 2006 18:17:18 GMT -5
Yes AN but that is because they don't join the forums and I say to that, if they do not vote or do not join the forum then they have to live with the consequences.
|
|
|
Post by Atlantico Norte on May 24, 2006 9:58:12 GMT -5
I agree with that EMC... we can't just point a gun on they're heads and force them to join the forum...
|
|
|
Post by eternalmoonchild on May 24, 2006 13:55:34 GMT -5
exactly, it shouldn't be placed on one single person to TG these people and beg them to join the forum, it is also the nation's choice to do so.
|
|
|
Post by Hilayia on May 24, 2006 19:31:40 GMT -5
exactly, it shouldn't be placed on one single person to TG these people and beg them to join the forum, it is also the nation's choice to do so. Well, now we're on the subjecy of compulsory voting, I suppose. Can, and should we force votes for a fair result?
|
|
|
Post by Porcu on May 24, 2006 19:47:13 GMT -5
No...I believe that we can only give nations the choice.
|
|
|
Post by Hilayia on May 25, 2006 17:31:43 GMT -5
No...I believe that we can only give nations the choice. There might be ways to make it more clear, however. For example, whenever there is a major vote, couldn't we advertise it on Hyrule's World Factbook Entry like we do for UN Voting? Do we do that already? *hides behind newbie sheild* :peekaboo:
|
|
|
Post by tasmanyaya on May 25, 2006 20:26:52 GMT -5
Actually, that's a good suggestion. Why are you hiding, lol?
|
|