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Post by corporateprozac on Jul 31, 2007 17:27:02 GMT -5
(OOC: I do not mean to speak for you, only other nations that may become new with in the next few months and know very little about this. I am sure they would approve of something like this. Sorry, I did not mean to undermine your nations.)
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Post by piekrom on Aug 1, 2007 12:31:00 GMT -5
Indrejue steps back up and addresses the crowd, Prozecs plan is flawed in that still the most powerful nations will decide seeing as how they tend to be the most populace. you need a counter balance with each nation getting one vote as well in a seperate body. i also believe that anything that deals strictly with national sovereignty like drinking age driving age marriage licenses and all that stuff should be left to the individual nations and be strictly out of this body's dicesion process.
as far as pollution as i said we have practically eliminated pollution by using nuclear power and other modern power production methods and highly advanced recycling techniques. we are also focusing on a why to harness the endless power of gravity. we are willing to help any nation develop the infrastructure to produce power and recycle. the most important thing after providing the structure to to make sure to properly educate and entice you populace to engage in recycling efforts.
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Post by starman deluxe on Aug 1, 2007 15:07:29 GMT -5
the Duke of Starman Deluxe speaks just from his chair looking right at President Zentil of Corporate Prozac
"Checks and Balances will not stop a dictator from ignoring them completely. I believe for the H.T.O to be effective they must have the power to invade a nation if necessary. Not forever, but long enough to establish a proper government and to allow the people to have free elections. With regards to the H.T.O. security council and each nation getting a number of votes based on population I also believed that to be flawed, like what Indrejue of Piekrom here stated before me. I think each nation should have only 1 vote to allow fairness throughout.
"With regards to the pollution problem I see it as a problem that should be tackled together but I think each individual nations can do their own research and put out their own plan for their individual nation if they want."
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Post by corporateprozac on Aug 1, 2007 17:16:11 GMT -5
"Well Duke of of Starman Deluxe, I can absoultely compromise with you on the 1 vote for each nation if the H.T.O. plan is accepted and passed during this conference. I, however, can not agree with invading other nations that have a dictator in order to create free elections with a society that may enjoy being governed by one person. There must be evidence that this dictator has violated certain regulations and/or humanitarian rights. My nation goes by a democratic process of sorts, but Corporate Prozac will never purposely force a government on a people who seem content. What is right for your nation is not necessarily right for another. I will continue to stand by my proposal to enforce a strict system of checks and balances. If anyone can offer a compromise, I would love to hear it."
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Post by starman deluxe on Aug 1, 2007 18:31:01 GMT -5
"You must have misunderstood me. If every Dictator nation would be invaded, im sure mine would be first as I am a very big dictator. What I merely meant was that Dictators that decide to invade nations, or try to start wars should be removed by the H.T.O.
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Post by stargatesg1 on Aug 1, 2007 18:39:09 GMT -5
OOC: Uh that would be a problem because the expansion threads normally are invasions.
IC:
Emperor Tojo stood up and said, "That would give me even more reason to not join the HTO for I am currently setting my sights on new territory and as a dictator I would be expelled. I feel we should end this talk of the HTO for one of the main nations proposed, Porcu, is not even present, and some of us do not even want to join this organization. I feel we should discuss nuclear non-proliferation now for they are a real danger."
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Post by Sir Metz a.k.a. "Metzy" on Aug 1, 2007 19:01:18 GMT -5
President Metz stood to address the issues that were being discussed.
"Well Duke, the H.T.O. would be something that can stop the use of nuclear weapons. I still think that the H.T.O. should be created, and have only three nations as the security nations. If we have everyone able to do that, then should something arise that is a problem, every nation will have to come to a decision. That process would take may too long I'm afraid."
"Also, the H.T.O. is not going to be something where, for example, just because my nation declares war upon someone else, every nation within the H.T.O. will attack me for attacking someone else. The H.T.O. will respect peoples decisions....it will only intervene should the nation that would be attacking, which would be me in the example, become a threat to all of Hyrule, and the threat would be one so great, that it may cause the destruction of Hyrule and all of its nations and loving peoples. Only then will the H.T.O. act as a unified group of nations."
"You may think to yourself, 'Well if a nation is already a threat that great, the H.T.O. will not be able to stop it...well, people will have to think about the H.T.O. while becoming a threat, effectively stopping the threat from being created in the first place. The H.T.O. will not intervene with other nation freedoms either."
"As I heard before, I believe president Bush stated earlier that,
It would not be an official power in its own right, but give our nations the chance to work together outside of the more obvious alliances. It would mean that we all worked together and were a closer group.
Therefor, in the instance that say, nuclear proliferation becomes a problem, every member nation of the H.T.O. can gather and come to an agreement that will benefit all of the member nations. Each nation would have an equal say in the arguments and talks, therefore, should your nation be opposed to what is happening, you will be able to say so, and possibly stop the actions that may have otherwise been decided upon."
President Metz took grabbed his glass of water and chugged it all in a few seconds
"Each nation will be completely free in every aspect of freedom while being a member of the H.T.O. the only way for something to be forced upon your nation, would be for your nation to accept the change, law, act, or whatever it is in the first place, in which case it would not be forced but welcomed by your nation."
"Now duke...as for Nuclear Proliferation, if we had an H.T.O. the security nations could ensure that nuclear weapons were contained and used in a safe/defensive manner, or dismantled for the sake of the possibility. Each nation could assemble frequently to talk about how the issue is being handled, what could be done to fix it, where are possible problems arising..."
"Don't you guys see that the H.T.O. is nothing but good. It will only help your nation should you join. It will only provide security to your nation if you join. It will only provide a ore unified an glorious Hyrule that your nation could be a part of...I feel that the creation of the H.T.O. is not only smart, but beneficial to all in and around Hyrule, and should be created for the safety, growth and future of Hyrule."
The President then sat down again, waiting for a reply as the others were thinking...
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Post by piekrom on Aug 1, 2007 19:10:27 GMT -5
as i said nukes are a necessary evil especially considering that not all nations would be under the hto no mater what you say or how hard you try to push it. i will not jeopardize my nations tactical threat factor just to ease tensions. on those who do not have. i do not use my nukes i keep them as a threat to outside nations who might want to attack. no matter how hard you try nations will refuse you and continue to build nukes especially ones outside your realm of influence.
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Post by stargatesg1 on Aug 1, 2007 19:34:10 GMT -5
"Yes Mr. President, your idea of the HTO Security Council controlling this would be in theory perfect," said Emperor Tojo still seated. "However in practice it is not. For the Security Council could be come corrupted and allow for only themselves to have these horrid weapons and terrorize the region. I feel as though this HTO would be detrimental to advancement of other nations for if the Security Council does not like what it sees it could stop them and limit the power of all other members. The HTO is no solution to the nuclear weapons. And no they are not necessary we just have to make an agreement outside the HTO. Finally lets get off this topic and on to the formation of such an agreement."
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Post by corporateprozac on Aug 1, 2007 22:42:18 GMT -5
President Zentil looks over at Emperor Tojo.
"Very well Emperor, what might be your plan?"
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Post by Mr. Durandal on Aug 2, 2007 1:07:47 GMT -5
The General Secretary stood up and, forgetting all about the issue at hand, said, "I will not allow another man like Rex Crawshore to rise to power once again! The HTO will not protect against another madman like Crawshore until it is too late. If another man comes to power like that, he will not be stopped until deemed 'threatening'. Crawshore was never deemed threatening until he murdered 20 million of my fellow Clamparapans. This was even encouraged by many of the larger nations. People who are crazy enough to become that great don't care about the HTO. The HTO will not stop a madman until it is too late, and that is why I will NEVER JOIN THE HTO!" He shouted the last part and walked out. He was just outside the door, trying to hold back the tears. His fiancee had almost been killed by Crawshore, although she hadn't been his fiancee at the time. He hated Crawshore and anyone like him. The thought of someone else coming to power like that made him sick. The thought of nations not helping a fellow nation against such a man because they weren't "allowed" to almost made him puke...
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Post by stargatesg1 on Aug 2, 2007 7:33:40 GMT -5
Emperor Tojo stood up and said, "President Zentil my plan would be to have all nations to sing a treaty dedicated to nuclear non-proliferation and for the lessening of nuclear weapons in nations that already have it.
"And to address the Crawshore situation I agree anyone who does the insane amount of death like Crawshore should be stopped and that an HTO would do nothing to stop it."
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Post by Sir Metz a.k.a. "Metzy" on Aug 2, 2007 10:16:41 GMT -5
"Well Duke," stated the president, "Your idea of a treaty will failo as well. My father tried to do this as well (I forget the name of the RP), and no-one, not even you yourself or your own nation did anything to make progress. That is why something different such as the H.T.O. is suitable...If it is curruption you are afraid of, then it will be stopped. Let me explain... There are three nations, each of the security nations can check on eachother. Even if I am in an alliance with another security nation, I would not allow them to have nukes, as an example. Also, if it makes you feel better, what if we had elections for the H.T.O.perhaps, very five years, two years, or something like that. President Bush also only suggested that the secutiry nations only be Spaizil, Robengrad, and Porcu. If it isnt us that you want, all you have to do is say so and we can continue to talk happily amongst eachother about something that will work, unlike your idea of a treay that has already been tested once, and failed. I will not sign a treaty because I can tell you that it can be pretty dam easy to put a signiture on a pice of paper and tell everyone you will support it. With the H.T.O. not only will you hav the signiture to check your actions, but the security nations to ensure that yur word can be trusted as well. With a treaty, how can you be sure that no one will be corrupt in that manner??"
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Post by Dark Archon on Aug 2, 2007 16:29:19 GMT -5
Lucian stood up and began to address the men sitting before him.
" With respect to my Clamparapan friend, I also will not join the HTO. Protoa ,Clamparapa, Zionir, The Buhayin, and as far as I know Nakarak are part of our Central Powers alliance. To let our alliance break up would be disasterous for every member. I have come here to exact a lasting peace with the United States of Robengrad and that is all. If Spazil choses to have a agreement of trade and a defense agreement...so be it. Otherwise, I will make my exit."
Lucian then walked slowly to the door and shut it. He then went searching for the General Secretary. He had much to discuss with him.
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Post by piekrom on Aug 2, 2007 18:38:48 GMT -5
well president bush looks like you have misinterpreted most of the nations here and alienated quite a few. this is exactly what i was talking about when i said you should know your enemy. you need to know how they think what motivates them and above all what is their weaknesses. those terrorist we are all talking about who are they attacking. give me a list. also tell me were is thier stronghold so i can get a better idea.
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