Reconstruction?

[South Malaysia]

A) Reconstruction
B) Consolidation
C) Disbandment
D) Merger

Out of my simple list of terms, I have chosen...A! Reconstruction.

Do you think if we where to Reconstruct the government, update it with the times, it would help us out or kill us faster? At this point, I am willing to throw around some executive orders to get something going.

What do you think? Whatever is posted, I will view as the majority, and will take action promptly.

The whole Regional Constitution can be under a magnifying glass if need be.

[starman deluxe]

I would have to agree and say A reconstruction as well.

I don't think I'm off in saying that the entire Nationstates population is declining, with the world population down to 72,000+ members when there has been a peak of nearly 110,000 since I've been a member of NS. Now this obviously will create a decrease in all regions whether they like it or not. I just feel that Hyrule has been hit a lot harder then the other nations out there.

I'm looking at the Regional Constitution now and the major body of governing comes from the citizens of Hyrule. And thats great and all don't get me wrong but it makes the assumption that ALL Hyrule citizens will be a part of the government. It does not take into account that some people play this game more seriously as others. MANY nations just play in nationstates for the fun of it. Not from the government point of view.

[starman deluxe]

One more thing. I hate to be the one to say it but I feel that the MoI has not been fulfilling their duties as MoI, particularly in the recruiting area. it is said directly in the constitution that they must recruit 15 nations a day or 130 in a week. Though the MoI may be doing so there have not been posts to suggest otherwise.

[Mr. Durandal]

Starman, you are right in saying that NS is declining. New players (who are typically younger) are not getting into NS because, I think, NS is not advertising as much as I think it should. I haven't seen an ad for NS anywhere on the i-net, and I think Max should advertise more. Younger players who play online games, and see all these ads for RPGs and fantasy stuff, don't see ads for NS. NS isn't big enough, like Facebook or Myspace, to be automatically known by a lot of people. It actually needs ads to boost numbers.

I think we should have a major overhaul on the Constitution. We need to analyze it, and rewrite sections for the changing times (Hyrule being rebuilt and stuff). It was written in and applied to times when population was big. As our population declines, we need to place the Constitution under a microscope and rewrite it for today. And do we even know if new nations read it? Maybe a test or something for citizenship?

Another thing I have noticed is that new nations introduce themselves and such, but they never go further. They are online once, to register and introduce themselves, but they never do anything else. Maybe we should have it so that new nations have to post 5 posts before being granted citizenship. (We should have a new catagory of nations for those who do not yet have citizenship. They would not be able to vote, or even view the house of members section, ministers' offices, and map board. We could even block all RP sections, except the main RP board, from view and posting.) It may discourage new members, but I would rather have 20-30 active nations instead of 70-100 nations, in which 7%-10% are active. I know that that might not be other people's opinion, but that is what I believe.

And I don't know where the MoI is. If he was recruiting, I would think he would know what to do, as he has done it before. He was online about a week ago...

[Porcu]

I completely agree with the notion that Clamps had put forward about wanting 20-30 truely active members verse 220 with 2 percent participation. The European Continent, for example, only has about 32 nations; however, those nations are extremely active on the boards. Granted it is RP based but those individuals would easily assist in fulfilling governmental roles. Personally, I don't think that a test of citizenship is necessary but I can see how small requirements, such as posting 5 times or contributing to a RP thread or voting on a UN resolution, could be beneficial because it sort of forces the nation to integrate itself into the system.

Now about immigration. Personally, I see this as a time when those who truely are interested in NS will be shown simply by the essential purging of regional numbers. This is not a bad thing, unless of course we want our regional population to stay where it's at or higher, for I see this as an opportunity to reconnect ourselves to those in Hyrule that are not on the forum but in the region, as well as an opportunity to restructure the recruiting telegram to make clear the expectations we have.

Obviously there's no clear and simple answer to this but I'm in the for the long haul...

[starman deluxe]

well how do you propose new nations registering themselves? The only plausible way I can think of is putting a regional password until they register in the forums and posting their five posts, then having someone give them the regional password. Another way I can think of is that we allow them to come into Hyrule and give them a set time for them to register in the forums, and if they do not meet their quota within that time they face possible ejection from the region.

In regards to the Constitution I think it is time for it to be put under the knife and it needs to be better suited for Hyrule now instead of Hyrule in the past.

[Mr. Durandal]

Good ideas, Porcu and Starman. I was thinking of going a step further. We create a new region (called Hyrule2 or something) and tell all members to go there. Anyone truly active will move there, and all non-activy people will be left behind in old Hyrule. Then we can use the regional password thing idea and block the region until people have posted 5 posts in the forums. This would root out all non-active nations and allow for all active nations to congregate. It would mean starting over, but I can't think of anything else at the moment...

[South Malaysia]

That, I can say for a fact, will kill off Hyrule. Refoundation is out of the question. We, Ness & I, did the exact same thing in creating the version of this Hyrule you see today.

[Mr. Durandal]

Ok. I see what you mean. I was just giving it as a limit to the lengths we would go to establish who is active or not.

[starman deluxe]

i recall the refoundation of Hyrule, back when it was invaded.... jeeze that was a long time ago.

I'm just going to summarize some of the ideas that have been put on the table for right now:

Everyone seems to be in agreement that the Constitution needs to be given a major overhaul. If this ends up going through then I think EVERYONE who has a cabinet position needs to be a part of this, not just some.

The other major topic of discussion is primarily how to make nations in Hyrule be a more active part of the region. Again this needs to be given a chance to be discussed by everyone in the cabinet. But if all we discuss are the same ideas for being more active then we really are not going to make any progress. Like SM stated in the first post of this topic majority rules. But it is not the only thing that needs to be discussed.

I'm going to bring about another topic of discussion in that pretty much all nations on here are, or have been a part of, the government of Hyrule, or at least all active members. We don't have just plain citizens anymore in the forums, which I see as a disadvantage in the forums. Again this might all tie into the mandatory 5 posts in the forums but im just putting out stuff to discuss.

Another POSSIBLE idea in terms of reconstructing the government would be to possibly combine some of the ministries. This would lessen the chance of nations who stop doing their job. In the February 08 Elections we had Delegate, Chancellor, MoR, MoI, MoIA, MoC, MoFA, Judges, and CoJ. I think that is way too many with our declining population and declining activity. If would obviously mean a bit more work for the people who stay part of the government. Again this is just an idea that I'm throwing out for discussion.

[South Malaysia]

The government is in the move for consolidation. That's all I can do until the population goes somewhere. The Job Directory will always be open so that may be a backup plan for the future. That is in official terms too by-the-way.

[South Malaysia]

Reconstruction has started officially. The HoM and CoJ have been suspended; therefore the Regional Constitution is under the microscope. You may submit, a redraft of the current Regional Constitution to my PM box for consideration (I already know what I am going to put into it myself also).

I am also going to draw a line between government and administration. For example...MoRP and MoC...do they do government work or administrative? I feel they do administrative and need to lean to it. Role Playing Administrator; Civilisation Administrator (tho I think it needs a better name xD). My other position as Co-Admin will need some better defining when it comes to a division; as always I do have something in mind.

So past this post, lay some full pledged thoughts. Anything goes, I will learn for majority rule, but I will not guarantee that I will always go for the majority.

[Robengrad]

So past this post, lay some full pledged thoughts. Anything goes, I will learn for majority rule, but I will not guarantee that I will always go for the majority.

Ummmmmm.......why? Am I to understand from this that you are in charge and that ultimately we could have little say in this reconstruction? Because thats the impression I get.

Personally I feel that Hyrule isn't going to seem all that attractive to new members while we are re-structuring like this. Though we need new blood (so to speak) how would you feel about joining a forum that doesnt seem to know where its headed?

We need to sort out the constitution and realise that we probably never will have the numbers we did before. Nation States is not what it used to be and Hyrule is representative of that at the minute.

We all need to be on a level playing field here; founder, chancellor, MOI, CoJ, Newb etc. etc. if this is going to work. The government should work with those outside of it so that everyones views are represented, not just a few peoples. Simply put, this affects the entire regional population and everyone deserves to have input, however marginal.

[Mr. Durandal]

Has Hyrule ever had a Senate? You know, a government body that represents the people and voices their concerns to the founder. The admins would need like a senate vote in order to implement an idea. And the senate would consist of non-government nations.

[South Malaysia]

I could easily give you no say, but I'm not like that. But I will have to modify my statement about drafting your own version of the constitution since I realize, after printing off a copy to draft my own version...can easily equal 10 pages. I therefore am going to submit my adjustments for you to speak up and say what you think would be better and et cetera.

I would love to let everyone have the say in what they want and what someone else wants, but the facts of life: not everyone can be happy. And unfortunately, I have to be bossy.

Hyrule is going through a change, which can be an unattractive thing, but it can always draw in new members wanting to try and do something in a region that is going to have a fresh government.

I can say, I doubt I will have my draft done by tonight, I changed a few things, added, removed, and etc all hand written while I was eating dinner at work.

This is what it will entitle:
*New requirements for citizenship
*Division of Government and Administration
*A Legislative Council (simply named "The Council" so far)
*Ministry of Defense
*New Founder roles
*Other various minor changes in grammar, UN to WA, time tables, voting, and et cetera.

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Smedit: I have drafted, look in the new forum...Constitutional Convention 2008.