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Post by Ness Snorlaxia on Jul 18, 2006 6:43:57 GMT -5
Vote here who you want as your new regional delegate. This vote will be quick and ends on the 20th of June July.
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Post by Jerry Christ on Jul 18, 2006 9:36:29 GMT -5
Hmm.... well if the vote ends the 20th of June, then either you have a strange definition of "quick" or we're going backwards in time!  |
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Post by Ness Snorlaxia on Jul 18, 2006 9:48:19 GMT -5
Er, I made a mistake. Please don't sue me. |
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Post by Jerry Christ on Jul 18, 2006 10:55:23 GMT -5
Don't worry. We don't have a judicial system set up for that yet. |
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Post by Ness Snorlaxia on Jul 18, 2006 11:20:58 GMT -5
Okay, good. I guess. Or something. |
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Post by mailabia on Jul 18, 2006 16:27:32 GMT -5
All right, go democracy, WHOOOO.
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Post by Springfield and Zara on Jul 18, 2006 18:35:26 GMT -5
i still believe this way of electing delegate is stupid.
lets say we gonna gather bout 30 votes here and bout 18 of it will go to the new delegate (whoever he/she may be). but still, its expected that 100 nations give their endorsements to that nation, just because less than 20% of them said its cool for him/her to be the delegate...
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Post by Gnidrah on Jul 18, 2006 18:41:55 GMT -5
That goes back to the point that has been made before: either members of the region get out and express their opinion by virtue of a vote, or they go about their business not caring either way. If they decide not to get out and vote, basically they are leaving the decision up to those who actually do get out and vote. So if the end result is not satisfactory to those who did not vote, then where lies the blame?
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Post by Jerry Christ on Jul 18, 2006 20:32:22 GMT -5
Now that a Regional Voting Forum and other forums were added to the Information section near the top of the webpage -- coupled with announcements made in the Regional Civil HQ -- Hyrulians have ample opportunity to learn what's up for debate and make their voice known. Gnid is right.
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Post by Springfield and Zara on Jul 19, 2006 2:42:54 GMT -5
k, sure, he's right, why not...
but there is already in-game system of elections that works the same way (if not even better way).
anyways, dont care that much.
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Post by South Malaysia on Jul 19, 2006 3:15:52 GMT -5
There is no "in-game system of elections" and if you're talking about endorsing another to become delegate then you are mistaking that for a better system. What we are doing is allowing people that have been in this region for a while to run for a position that we can trust in them. We want someone that can be delegate that we know and trust; not some stranger. Would you want a stranger running your community? I hope not because that can cause havoc. If you dont care so much, then why make such a big deal about it?
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Post by Porcu on Jul 19, 2006 7:56:51 GMT -5
Well...for whoever voted for me, thanks! Good luck to everyone else. :okay:
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Post by Springfield and Zara on Jul 19, 2006 12:35:29 GMT -5
There is no "in-game system of elections" and if you're talking about endorsing another to become delegate then you are mistaking that for a better system. What we are doing is allowing people that have been in this region for a while to run for a position that we can trust in them. We want someone that can be delegate that we know and trust; not some stranger. Would you want a stranger running your community? I hope not because that can cause havoc. If you dont care so much, then why make such a big deal about it? hm, if there's no in-game system of election, then how do ya expect to become delegate (if you win these pre-elections)? by some kind of a magic or would you like nations to endorse you? nations should be explained what endorsements mean, but still its their right to endorse whoever. the system is actually totally same. or we want to be democratic beyond democracy? the only difference is that Ness had 100+ endorsements in Hyrule, while she would probably gain support from max. 30 nations if that elections were held here on forum. ness, you and any other nationstates member is perfect stranger to me, as probably to most of the other members. being active on the forums doesn't change anything. |
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Post by Jerry Christ on Jul 19, 2006 13:11:14 GMT -5
The issue is about ensuring that a qualified and trustworthy individual is holding the essential position of delegate. Any member of Hyrule with minimal standing can step forward and offer themselves for the job. All Hyrulians collectively decide which of the candidates will serve. The only issue I can see with this arrangement is that there are no pre-set "term limits." That might be a legitimate issue for debate (but probably not here).
S&Z, your main beef seems to be that an individual is restricted in how many endorsements he or she can receive if he or she is not the elected delegate. I say to you that if you wish to have more endorsements than the delegate, then perhaps you should throw your hat in the ring, become a candidate, and put it to the people to decide. Otherwise, you should probably be thankful that we have a trustworthy delegate the majority of Hyrulians want, and suffer the minor inconvenience of an endorsement cap.
I would be interested in having a discussion (elsewhere) about some of the details of the process so it's improved: Namely, term limits for the delegacy and the endorsement caps value for non-delegates (perhaps being tiered based on continuous time as a Hyrule resident).
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Post by Springfield and Zara on Jul 19, 2006 14:10:21 GMT -5
main idea of refounding Hyrule is to prevent agressors from getting in control. now we've done so and the delegate doesn't have access to regional control - only founder does. so, delegate's only power is to vote for UN resolutions. what's the big deal then?
i have spoken enough bout endoresment cap law and delegacy for life, nothing further ...
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