Office of Complaints

[Porcu]

Are you still confused JC? No need to be, just have a beer and let your mind wander!

[Jerry Christ]

Yes, I'm still confused. And I'm afraid no amount of beer can rectify that condition. :blush:

I can only assume this little spat has to do with the map issues. But then I wouldn't know, because the reason or context for this "tension" is not referenced. I am therefore left to wonder the purpose of announcing the issue in the first place.

I also am left to wonder if EMC is arbitrating the very dispute she's a part of, or if another person or persons is/are involved.

I am also confused as to the function of the Court of Hyrule if this is not being resolved there.

I am also wondering why these proceedings are not operating in a transparent manner. I am left to guess that this is being addressed by someone via PM's or private forums.

In short, it is a cruel thing to deprive a regions' peoples of their drama, especially when it is revealed to them in a cruel tease.

:schooled:

[Porcu]

Ah...JC we love you! But you do raise a good point in saying how the Court of Hyrule, with me and Krit as judges, is almost non-existant.

[Gnidrah]

I instructed the Minister of Internal Affairs to open this investigation, and to publicly announce its existence. Once a case is compiled, and if charges are necessary, it will proceed to the Court of Hyrule. Until then, it is being prepared. And I expect there to be unbiased findings produced.

In other words, if in her investigation, the Minister of Internal Affairs discovers any sort of guilt on her behalf, she is to report so. Likewise, she is not to charge Atlantico Norte out of spite; factual evidence to back any findings will be required. Now, if she cannot meet these requirements, then I will need to look into her credibility, and take over the investigation. But I'm hoping that will not be the case.

[Jerry Christ]

Thanks for the clarifications, Gnid. But I find this rather disagreeable. If things are going to be done with such formality, then surely there should be an impartial arbitrator or investigator to determine the worth of the "case" rather than one of the parties involved in the dispute.

[Gnidrah]

I was aware of such possible problem, but with the information I have received via personal message, I have determined that the results are going to be fair and unbiased. I was confident the Minister of Internal Affairs would perform her job as expected, even when she was also a party in question, in the investigation. If she could not be fair in this case, then I would question her ability to perform her official duties, and possibly consider placing her under a probationary period, or replacing her. However, as I previously hinted, I do not believe this will be necessary. I guess you could consider this a real-time field test, as far as my involvement is concerned.

[eternalmoonchild]

June 2, 2006


I have made a case because there is a problem that has been discovered by several people within Hyrule. This case involves Atlantico Norte and The Eternal Moon Child. The problems began while Eternal Moon Child was Vice Minister of Civilisation. Neither party saw eye to eye and tensions grew which leads to the following evidence:

The Problem Disrespect, Flaimbaiting and innappropriate postings

The Evidence Based on the following evidence, I am about to prove that this disrespect and flaimbaiting does exist within the forums of Hyrule. Below, you will find quotes that can be found all over the forums.

wrathfulpeople said:

I agree with that and will stop with the fart jokes but there is a level of respect that needs to be met, also. Disrespect, whining and crying like a baby when things do not go your own way will not help matters at all. It just shows childish immaturity on your part.

atlanticonorte said:

Well... just doing the same that you have done when started the threads and so on... I guess that we are not THAT different regarding crying and whining... and I guess that you are not THAT mature as you say.

atlanticonorte said:

q: Why are you wearing that ugly shirt?

a: Grab the nuts!! Grab the nuts!!!

atlanticonorte said:

Factoid> I like baskin robins icecreams
Factoid> I hate hypocrite people
Factoid> I love Europe and the European Culture
Factoid> I am very proud to be Portuguese / Tenho orgulho em ser Portugues
Factoid> I love my homeland, Azores / Adoro a minha terra natal, os Acores

eternalmoonchild said:

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that Robengrad is in charge of the football games and postings? Can some one please fill me in?

atlanticonorte said:

EMC... in fact Robengrad is in charge of the football games.

But you have already signed... why do you need to fill up again?

Anyhow... You don't need to be rude with me just because I was posting a simple coment. Just in case you didn't noticed I've posted the following:

Well... I like your script!!

Here are the test results that the script created...

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It was just a test... nothing more than that.
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eternalmoonchild said:

No, AN I was not saying that at all. With the length of time that it is taking for you to make that map, I am just wondering if you need the help or do you feel that you are unable to complete this task. I was not being mean. I understand that you were not given a certain time to get the map done but it needs to get done in a timely manner. A month at the most would have been sufficiant to complete it. It has been longer than that and people are upset that it is not completed yet. The map needs to get done and I believe there should be a time limit set now.

atlanticonorte said:

EMC... You are now beeing mean when you say that *shifty eyes*

I know that the map needs to be done... the map is partially done right now... but if everyone is in a hurry... I can upload soon the image that I will use on the map and everyone can start choosing they're plots... but do you remember what I've told you about my toughts on the new map? This map will have different rules than the previous on the matters os getting new plots and the resources distribuition...
Again... if you (and everyone) are in a such hurry... that can be done... but it's just a jpeg file like the previous... nothing more, no interactivity, nothing. Just a geographic map without any kind of resources and with just the continents and nations drawn.
I really would prefer not to do this... because it will difficult a lot my work then.

EMC... by the way... why do you keep picking on my ministry? I don't go and pick on yours... Shouldn't we, the cabinet members stick together instead of trowing stuff to the other's ministry?

By the way EMC... no one gave you either any kind of timelines for anything... don't forget that our work in hyrule is voluteer based... I am not paid to do this... so I just can't miss my work to stay at home all day long drawing things... I am doing this as fast as I can. So please be patient. You are the one that is always arguing about this. And you know better than anyone that if I don't finish this faster... is just because I can't. And with all that you've said you just seem to be trying to force me to quit this ministry...

And you also know that I also want this map done the same way you want because i RP too... and I understeand that the map is kinda important for that. Anyhow... believe me that the map will be ready sooner than you might tought... but again... there will be a order to pick the plots... first the ones who will test it (beta testers)... then the ones who had plots previously, the the rper's and then the rest of the gang.

atlanticonorte said:

My dear friends, I am sad to announce that on the next month I will be unable to come and visit you was I used to come because due to changed on the internet access policies on my work they will block all the sites that don't have anything to do with the Internet. What happens also is that I will have to go at night to attend on a Microsoft training so I will be arriving home very late and very tired. And since I will be offline during this time I will not be able to attend to anything in Hyrule. So I would like to ask someone to help me on the MoC and since he have shown some interest I would like to ask WP if he could take my functions for this month. (Like Flamaca did with Arcaia) If you accept WP, I will be sending you the map file that I've done... it's a basic jpg file so you can change it at your own will (adding or removing countries).

If WP does not accept this I would like to know if anyone is avaliable to help me starting 31/06.

atlanticonorte said:

OOC - Ohhh c'mon... get inside the room... now... or I will have to send my security guards to spank you!


Do I have to repeat what I've said on the previous thread??

atlanticonorte said:

Why do you play with your nuts in front of everyone??

atlanticonorte said:

Why dont you play with your bananas instead?

zoradomains said:

i play with my bananas...do you play with yours?

atlanticonorte said:

Nope EMC... I've just changed the fractions to percentages... and gave an example to make it easy for the people to understeand... I've proposed to do that before, but Nessie asked me to do that only after the votings.

Feel free to check... if you change the percents to factions you will see that's the same number.

1/3 = 0.33 = 33% (well... in deed is 33.333333333333333333%)
1/10 = 0.1 = 10%
1/4 = 0.25 = 25%

gnidrah said:

*Rubs temples.*

eternalmoonchild said:

*grabs ice pack*

atlanticonorte said:

Ohh c'mon Gnid and EMC... it's just maths...

gnidrah said:

atlanticonorte said:

Ohh c'mon Gnid and EMC... it's just maths...

I just dislike 1/3 because it is not an even percentage.

atlanticonorte said:

Well... 1/3 = 0.333333333333(ad eternum)... using the maths rules... if it is under 0.335 you change to 0.33 (33%) if it was equal or over 0.335 you would change it to 0.34 (34%)

gnidrah said:

atlanticonorte said:

Well... 1/3 = 0.333333333333(ad eternum)... using the maths rules... if it is under 0.335 you change to 0.33 (33%) if it was equal or over 0.335 you would change it to 0.34 (34%)

I'm not stupid, AN; I know how to round up or down to the next number, respectively. But that still does not make 1/3 an accurate percentage.

atlanticonorte said:

Gnid... I never said that you were that... I was just making accounts... you don't need to be like that with me...

Anyhow... if you were offended with my post... I am very sorry

I have asked a couple people of the HTOand the Minister of Immigration to send me statements as to what they have observed in the HTO Council thread as the way of flamebaiting. These are what they had to say about it.

I have recently noticed that AN has being provoking other members of Hyrule within the forums, specifically the HTO Council, and that he has been at the heart of most of the recent arguments. Im not biased or trying to purposely get them into trouble, im just stating what i have observed around these forums.

I'm going to be perfectly honest with you and say that I haven't been to much of the other threads, so I cannot speak about them. But on the HTO threads the only flamebaiting that I had noticed was when you and AN started going at it. I hope I answered your question correctly...

Dear EMC,

To the best of my recollection, the reason for the mediation was the continual baiting occurring on the forum between AN and WP. You were the topic of the acrimony between the two, and as a result, posted in your ministry that I would be acting as mediator.

Setting up a time for mediation was the first difficulty I encountered. AN was unwilling for the mediation to take place at all, and both PM'd me and spoke with me on MSN regarding it. I explained that the complaint had already been filed by WP, and that mediation was the standard recourse. It took some time to set up a convenient time.

That the mediation nearly failed to occur at the set time was my error. I misunderstood what AN meant by 9pm, and assumed he meant EST, not Portugeuse time. As a result, we were close to half an hour late in starting, and Ness was unable to attend.

I lay down ground rules before we started, such as only one person keys at a time, etc. Even then, I had difficulty enforcing the ground rules at times.

The main end results were as follows:
- AN would stop contacting EMC by either PM or MSN
- all contact between EMC and AN on the forum would be civil, both IC and OOC
- Neither AN nor WP would continue the bickering on the forum. ZD was included in this, although he declined to take part in the mediation.

There were two other things settled, but I am unable to remember clearly what they are. I did give a summary of the results to Ness immediately after the session.

Again, what I have expressed here is true to the best of my recollection.

Tasmanyaya

Facts:

1) Flamebaiting does exist within the forums and this is against the law in Hyrule
2) Atlantico Norte' is involved with the flamebaiting
3) Eternal Moon Child is involved with the flamebaiting
4) Mediations were tried and failed


This evidence that I have listed above are examples of the kinds of disrespect, flaimbaiting and inappropriate postings that is happening within our forum. It is my conclusion that something must be done about this. The Minister of Internal Affairs admits to guilt of flaimbaiting, I reacted to Atlantico Norte's comments when I should have ignored them and kept quiet. I find that Atlantico Norte' instigated most of the flamebaiting posts but I also take responsibility for that. Based on this evidence, I do hereby charge Atlantico Norte' with flaimbaiting. I should also be charged but I find it best if the Chancellor or Delegate charge me with such an offense, if they deem it necessary.


I will now turn this over to the courts.

[Jerry Christ]

I'm thinking in terms of the precedent being set for all future situations, regardless of who holds these posts (including yours). I just have some reservations about the Minister of Internal Affairs ruling on a case in which he or she is directly involved, and with no transparency to the citizens of Hyrule. And besides, these disputes seem better suited for the judicial system rather than the exective cabinet.

But if Ness is fine with this precedent, then I guess I'm fine with it.

[eternalmoonchild]

I am not ruling on this case just to let you all know, I have just turned this over to the courts.

[wrathfulpeople]

EMC I am just wondering why I have not been charged or is it the fact that I have started behaving myself?

[Porcu]

I have ruled on this case on behalf of the Court.

[Atlantico Norte]

Well WP... I guess that no one charged you because everyone saw that you were acting for the well-beeing of everyone in the forum (even that back then I did not agree with some of your points of views) and not for disrespect of anyone... well... but that's just a guess.

[Porcu]

Probablely the right one...

[Atlantico Norte]

thanks Porcu!

[Porcu]

NP