The Judge's Office (Formerly Kritschboilek's)

[Porcu]

I see no reason why you should be dragged into this, but I'll leave the decision up to the higher authorities.

[Jerry Christ]

I have stated my opinions on this matter in many places. This includes the present forum, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and Forum Suggestions. People seem to be confusing issues involving this case and issues about procedures in general. My concerns are strictly with the latter. I'll be as clear and succinct as possible here in restating a few of my main points.

(1) I am opposed to this paranoia about "flamebaiting" and disagreements in the forums. I'd be happy to discuss why if someone wishes it.

(2) I am opposed to governmental procedures occuring behind closed doors. Unless there are security issues at stake, there should be transparency of proceedings so that the citizens of Hyrule are informed of what's going on.

(3) I do not understand why disputes are not settled in their entirety in the Court of Hyrule. The matter involving EMC and AN should have gone straight there.

(4) I do not understand the procedures of the Court of Hyrule. In almost all typical Courts, there is a plaintiff and a defendent. The two sides state their cases before a judge and/or jury. Based on the evidence presented, the judge and/or jury make a decision. This is almost always done as a public proceeding.

[Porcu]

Point taken and I have nothing against any of them.

[Kritschboilek]

Agreed with JC.
*agrees and exalts *

so, then, when can we begin?

[eternalmoonchild]

JC "paranoia" as you so called it would not be the word I would choose when it comes to this matter. I say to you that you have no knowledge of the kinds of things that Atlantico Norte' has stated to me, nor do you need to know. The point of the matter is that the law was passed and that is all there is to that. These proceedings are happening behind "closed doors" as you put it because of personal and embarassing information that I would not want brought foward in this case unless absolutely necessary. The reason this did not come to court in the first place is because we had to go through the proper channels, ex. PM and mediation. After those measures did not work, we are now bringing into the court because the discussed agreements in the mediations were not followed.
I am guilty of flamebaiting because I reacted harshly to Atlantico Norte'. This is not paranoia.
1) I am not going to have the mediations brought forth to this court unless absolutely necessary
2) I find that the lack of cooperation of the civilians and the court of Hyrule is disgraceful. Trying to over turn a decision made by our Chancellor is not democratic but disturbing. In a regular court system, since that is being brought up, if any one disrupts the court decision is charged with contempt and could face a fine and possible jail time. I also say that this is not a severe enough case that needs to have a jury. The case was brought to the judge and Porcu gave a just conclusion. I find it hard to understand why a temperary ban for 24 or 48 hours is such a big deal.
3) I keep my plea of guilty
4) Atlantico Norte' can not use the having bad English as an excuse. With all the evidence that I have that was withheld for privacy issues, it clearly shows this.
This is my statement regaurding this.

[Kritschboilek]

I have to react saying AN told me everything about you and him and the mediations, and so I think the decision of banning was not needed.
I can give you a MSN chat log with AN clearing many things up, if you want?

[Porcu]

Krit, they have tried that already and it didn't work the first time around.

[eternalmoonchild]

I refuse to have mediations with AN and I refuse to speak with him. I will say it like this, I live in a French community where some people can not speak English very well either, that does not mean that they speak to me in the same disrespect that AN has showed me. I am not discriminating against the fact that AN speaks Portuguese as a primary language, that is not the center of this case at all. He was still trying to upset me with what he said and what he did. I find that the decision from Porcu and the agreement of the Chancellor is just and fair. If AN wants to appeal that decision then he needs to post it himself.

[tasmanyaya]

JC, do you believe that all personal matters should be aired in front of the general populace? And I do mean PERSONAL. Having nothing to do with the forum, Hyrule, etc., but spilling over to the forum, Hyrule, etc.? To my mind, point #2 in your argument serves only to satisfy the curiousity of those who live fantasy lives. There are many cases in RL where not all information is released in order to protect someone's personal privacy, not for security issues.

Krits, without the transcripts of the mediation session, you are accepting only AN's version of events, and what has led up to what is going on today. It would be very nice if you would refrain from making a judgement based on only one side of the story. EMC posted both sides.

[Atlantico Norte]

EMC, please, you need to realise that I don’t have anything against you. I know we have both moved on and I no longer have a place in your life and you no longer have a place in mine. I know that you don’t like me and I respect that as it is you decision and I have no problem with that, but I don’t want to be your enemy either.

I feel that you over-react to everything that I say like if it was a threaten to yourself. You don't need to... as I've told you... many times in the past... you don't need to take what I say as a personal attack because I don't need to attack you... back then I used to consider you one of my best friends... and even now sometimes I think "What the hell?? What just happened??"

And beside that... If I keep bickering you is just because you also keep bickering me and we both are always searching for something to attack each other... and that have to stop we both have to live and let live...

If you see on the last times... on the RP threads we have kept the most cordial relations... and it's true that I didn't liked the way I was treated on the Great void thread... that's why I asked if I was the hollow man... because no one took his time to say "Nope... we don't want to go that way". And I didn't liked too the way you were always cutting me back on the HIFA championship. If I was doing that... was because I had the permission from the person who was holding it. Take an example... I didn't went to the H1GP saying that I could do this or that... I really liked to know that WP was interested and what did I do? I've told him where he could find the software. But I did not messed with it because I had no permission for that.

Also... regarding the MSN... I've been checking on who can I trust or cannot... like probally you also do and I know that you started that war thread because of whay I've said to Anglogermany on the MSN and not because of anything on the forums. You've got to distinguish the real life from the forums. And as you know... we both blocked each other because of the mediations we we would not have any kind of contact in the real life... but the funny part is that it seems that there is always someone interested on seeing EMC and AN bickering each other... maybe those people's life does not have enough excitement... so they get two puppets (me and you) and play they're own games...

OOC - Tasmy... I've sent Krit the log file of the mediations

[Jerry Christ]

Tas:

I believe personal matters should be aired in front of the general populace if formal grievances are filed and proceedings take place within the framework of governmental institutions to resolve the conflict. As I said, this normally would take place in a Court of Law before an impartial judge. (I can't imagine any other reason to have a Court of Law in Hyrule.) And the Court of Law -- like any other institution of government -- should operate transparently so that the public has access to what their government is doing.

If people wish to keep personal spats entirely private, then I would suggest that they not initiate formal proceedings to resolve their conflicts. They can hash it out in PM's or IRC or whatever, without the involvement of Hyrule officials.

I'll say this as many times as it takes: My concern is not so much with all the sordid details of this case or the particular people involved. My concern is with the precedents being set for all future disputes and the fact that there seem to be no rules, regulations, or protocols in place to settle conflicts in a fair and impartial manner.

Now, as an entirely separate issue, I also believe that people needn't be so sensitive and fearful of conflict in the forums. But that's another thing entirely. Since a law was passed on the matter, I don't think I should address it any further.

[Kritschboilek]

I'd like to add that by helping AN I am absolutely not against EMC or WP or Porcu or Tasmy or whoever else.
I have read the mediation files and I have to say that neither WP nor AN have behaved correctly, Tasmy was only trying to moderate - which actually made AN feel worse and WP more indifferent (at least, that is in my humble opinion).
Also, always remember that there (as Tasmy pointed out) is a difference between Real Life and Forum Life, and if the latter influences the former (as in AN-EMC's case), one comes to situations like this. Both have (the former more than the latter) showed incapability to do so and now they both have to consequence.
I think that AN and EMC are not really angry but mere uncomfortable (if that were not, i'd say, ban them both forever) with their situation (again, AN more than EMC), and it would be a pity to fuzz up this forum due to a little Real Life-situation...



This post was simultaneously made with JC's and is completely independent from it.

Little edit: changed a fuzzy word - thanks to Divine High Chancellor Gnidrah.

[Gnidrah]

I would appreciate it if you would refrain from posting certain terms in the future, Krits.

[tasmanyaya]

Krits, may I please have a definition for trying to moderate?

[Gnidrah]

At this time, I ask that the Chancellor of Justice intervene, and decide whether or not to uphold the rulings, made by Judge Porcu. I also ask that unofficially-involved members refrain from posting amidst these proceedings, so as not to add further to the confusion already present.